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Опыт бразильского спирита
Rafael: Мне 32 лет и я встретил спиритизм в 1999. Сегодня, я - директор спиритического центра в моём городе. Есть 14 директоров и 7 областей в моём спиритическем центре. Он называется "вера, надежда и милосердие" (fé, esperança e caridade по-португальски) и ему 91 лет. Там, я координирую молодежную группу с двумя друзьями и я принадлежу к медиумическему группу.
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astral: И каковы цели вашего института?чего добились за годы работы?
Rafael: Наша главная цель - сделать человека добродетельный. Нет спиритов, нет спиритуалистов. Человека добродетельный. Спиритизм не делает прозелитисм. Другие цели - разглашение спиритизма, изучение спиритизма и деятельности милосердия.
Oleg63: Rafael пишет: Спиритизм не делает прозелитисм Перевод немного мне непонятный.
Андрей: Привет Rafael. Название хорошее: "вера, надежда и милосердие". Расскажи подробнее, чем вы занимаетесь? Как создавался этот центр, почему у вас в стране так развито спиритическое учение? Что мы, можем сделать для повышения значимости спиритического учения в нашей стране?
Rafael: Олег, прозелитисм = proselitismo согласно google translator => обращение в свою веру
Oleg63: Андрей пишет: Расскажи подробнее, чем вы занимаетесь? Как создавался этот центр, почему у вас в стране так развито спиритическое учение? Что мы, можем сделать для повышения значимости спиритического учения в нашей стране? Да, да, Рафаэль. Нам очень интересно. Расскажите поподробнее. Времени много, мы не торопим.
Rafael: Расскажи подробнее, чем вы занимаетесь? Мне трудно писать по-русски. Мы готовим спиритическии лагерь для молодых спиритов. Как создавался этот центр, почему у вас в стране так развито спиритическое учение? Наш центр в 1920 в 1990, в том же месте Бразилькая Спиритическая Федерация в 1884, когда Бразилия была империя. В то время, спиритизм был большой в Европе и в Россие. Так начались Первая мировая война и Вторая мировая война. Две войны разрушили многое, между нём был спиритизм Здесь в Бразилия, мы не смотрели войны, и спиритзм смог вырасти. Что мы, можем сделать для повышения значимости спиритического учения в нашей стране? Разговаривайте о повышение значимости спиритического учения в Россие в другой теме Конечно, я хочу помочь
backmont: Rafael, could you tell us what it exactly means to be a spiritist in Brazil? Are there any meetings of spiritists (once a week or so) or does every spiritist just read books sitting at his home? Do you hold seances (individual or group)? How do you find new people to make them familiar with the doctrine of spiritism?
Rafael: I think I can write about this week. Last Sunday, I went to another center prepare the annual spiritist event for youngsters. I will help by the second time in the study and in the choral. On wednesdays, we have our mediunic reunion. Last wednesday, before the mediunic seance, we finished our presentation for Thursday about the influence of the spirits in our lives. This Thursday, our presentation was a success On Fridays, we have a study group where we discuss our work with children (it's like a spiritism class for children, almost every spiritist centre has some) On saturdays, we have our youngster study group with about 20 boys and girsl from 13 years to 21 years old. Today the study was about reincarnation. (After the study they get out to pizza, i was a bit sick so I didnt go. ) Spiritism in Brazil is becoming a very natural thing. Nowadays, there are a lot of movies, books, soap-operas about spiritism. We're 3% of population. How do you find new people to make them familiar with the doctrine of spiritism? We do not look for newcomers. We explain to those that sincerely ask about. We invite some friends to meet our reunions if we think they would like. Some people find spiritism by themselves, because, as I said, spiritism is wellknown in Brazil.
backmont: Rafael, when you wrote about the mediunic seance or reunion, did you mean just a meeting of friends or did you mean the process of communication with spirits? (English is a bit ambiguous language.) Are there many mediums in Brazil who can summon the spirits?
Rafael: Ok. We have a mediunic group. Our reunions have three moments: discussion about the messages, study of The Mediums' Book, and the seanse Unfortunately, mediumship is not completely understood. And people yet have afraid of spirits. This behavior avoids that the good summoning. And all this occurs despite we read in the Mediums' Book. So, we frequently say: It's very very important studying Allan Kardec, nobody can say that knows everything about spiritism and we always have something more to learn. Finnaly, everyone can summon the spirits. However, there are many kinds of spirits and the good ones are present only in the serious seanses. The mediums' book 2nd part chapters 17-18-19 explains all of it.
backmont: Rafael, are the Spirits' Book and the Mediums' Book by Allan Kardec still the main books of every spiritist? It was almost 150 years ago when those books were written and published. Maybe some other books were written since that time, which replaced the original books of Kardec and which are used as handbooks nowadays? Also it's very interesting to know more about seances. What method do you use to get the messages from spirits? Psychography? What kind of messages do you receive from spirits?
Rafael: Yes, Spirits' Book and the Mediums' Book by Allan Kardec still the main books of every spiritist, And the Gospel according Spiritism, Heaven and Hell and The Genesis. Many books were written since then, some of them complement Kardec's work. Kardec said that if the science would prove that something is wrong in the spiritism, so spiritism must change in that point. Until today none was proved wrong, by the contrary, for example there is a lot of scientific research about reincarnation. Kardec used logics, experimentation, no preconceived ideas. A spiritual message by only one medium was rejected. The messages must be universal. Very few authors post Kardec used such methods. And about the seances, our reunion is mainly psychographic, we summon the dearest relatives to confort them and their yet alive relatives. Sometimes we summon our spiritual guide, present in every reunion, sometimes they manifest by themselves by psychography or psycophony. Some medium are clairvoyant. They certify us about the presence of some spirits near some medium. We always have the caution to never say anything about our dead relatives in order to not sugest the mediums. This is very difficult because we are all close friends. Our friendship is strong after the group
backmont: Rafael, when one reads the Spirits' Book (especially several times), he can notice some inconsistences or unclear places. Although all spiritual messages from only one medium was rejected, there are still some answers of spirits that look like contradictions. How do you resolve such contradictions in your group/center? Rafael wrote: Finnaly, everyone can summon the spirits. What if some person has read all of the Kardec's books, understood them, but he is still unable to summon spirits. He is trying, but they don't come. Can your center help such people to learn to summon spirits? Have you had such incidents?
Rafael: I know some unclear places. Tell me some of those contradiction and I can tell what we said about them. Someday, a friend of mine said that he had found a error. We all looked for and analyzed this error and discoverred that our friend didn't notice one comma. If there is no medium, no spirit communicates. Lack of concentration does not help also. Sometimes the summoned spirit has no permission to communicate. Yeah, we have a lot of such incidents. How do you try summoning? I think maybe our group could post some of our videos in youtube, I'll ask them.
backmont: Rafael wrote: I know some unclear places. Tell me some of those contradiction and I can tell what we said about them. I don't want to overload you with such questions right now, maybe later. There are other questions I'd like to ask you first. Actually I'd like to know whether your center is independent organization or it's a subdivision of some larger organization like Brazilian Spiritist Federation. When you find some unclear places in Kardec's books, do you try to explain them with only help of individuals of your center/group or are there some booklets issued by Brazilian Spiritist Federation that explain such unclear places so that all spiritists in Brazil interpret the doctrine of spiritism identically? Rafael wrote: If there is no medium, no spirit communicates. There is an opinion that anyone can be a medium. And if a person can't summon spirits, it just means that he is doing something wrong. What do you think about that? Rafael wrote: I think maybe our group could post some of our videos in youtube, I'll ask them. Oh, it would be really great to watch them! Please ask your group and let us know if it's possible.
Rafael: backmont пишет: There is an opinion that anyone can be a medium This is true. But there are many degrees of mediumship. Not everyone can sense the spirits more strongly to be called "medium". backmont пишет: Actually I'd like to know whether your center is independent organization or it's a subdivision of some larger organization like Brazilian Spiritist Federation Brazilian Spiritist Federation orientates but doesn't rule. Every center is kind of independent. Unfortunately, this permits that some people introduces beliefs and practices foreign to Spiritisme. The african religions in Brazil contribute to this misunderstanding backmont пишет: do you try to explain them with only help of individuals of your center/group or are there some booklets Spiritist literature is very large in Brazil. Like everything big, there are good things and bad things. But yes, there are not only booklets, there are real books explaining and discussing the most controversial points.
Ant: Rafael You say that in Brazil spiritirizm very developed, and so there are books like Kardec, composed of spirits of our response time?
Rafael: Ant пишет: You say that in Brazil spiritirizm very developed, and so there are books like Kardec, composed of spirits of our response time? I didn't understand your question
backmont: Rafael, you wrote that you had bought some books like "The Gospel According to Spiritism" translated into Russian by Spartak Severin. Do you have any idea why those books in Russian are selled in Brazil but not in Russia? Is there any way to buy them in Russia? I found the following site where all Kardec's books are available: http://www.edicei.com/br/public/livros/list/id/Russo I sent them e-mail (in English) with a question whether it's possible to deliver the books to Russia, but got no reply. Also I tried to contact with Spartak Severin on Facebook but he doesn't reply either. I'm not sure if I correctly understood Ant's question, but most likely he asks if there are modern books on spiritism in Brazil that were composed of answers, gotten from spirits nowadays, in the same way as Kardec's books in the past?
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